1 00:00:08,870 --> 00:00:06,789 the international space station is an 2 00:00:11,509 --> 00:00:08,880 orbiting science laboratory and it's 3 00:00:13,669 --> 00:00:11,519 also an orbiting technology test site 4 00:00:15,509 --> 00:00:13,679 place where new concepts and hardware 5 00:00:17,510 --> 00:00:15,519 designed to improve our ability to 6 00:00:19,750 --> 00:00:17,520 travel in space can be tested in a 7 00:00:22,230 --> 00:00:19,760 weightless environment one successful 8 00:00:25,029 --> 00:00:22,240 example is the apparatus called the 9 00:00:26,870 --> 00:00:25,039 amine swingbed a system to filter and 10 00:00:29,509 --> 00:00:26,880 renew the air for the crew members to 11 00:00:31,589 --> 00:00:29,519 breathe inside their spacecraft recently 12 00:00:33,830 --> 00:00:31,599 my colleague pat ryan had a chance to 13 00:00:36,630 --> 00:00:33,840 talk with the amine swingbed principal 14 00:00:38,709 --> 00:00:36,640 investigator dr jeffrey sweterlick of 15 00:00:41,030 --> 00:00:38,719 the crew and thermal systems division 16 00:00:43,350 --> 00:00:41,040 here at nasa johnson space center and 17 00:00:45,510 --> 00:00:43,360 asked how this system works to clean the 18 00:00:47,990 --> 00:00:45,520 air on the station 19 00:00:50,389 --> 00:00:48,000 the way that the swing bag works is 20 00:00:53,350 --> 00:00:50,399 there is sorbent media contained in this 21 00:00:55,990 --> 00:00:53,360 basically a bed of rocks absorbent media 22 00:00:58,389 --> 00:00:56,000 that absorbs carbon dioxide and humidity 23 00:00:59,830 --> 00:00:58,399 and one bed is exposed to the cabin 24 00:01:03,029 --> 00:00:59,840 atmosphere and the other is exposed to 25 00:01:04,869 --> 00:01:03,039 vacuum the way that it's similar to the 26 00:01:06,789 --> 00:01:04,879 carbon dioxide removal assembly on 27 00:01:08,630 --> 00:01:06,799 station in a sense that you have two 28 00:01:09,910 --> 00:01:08,640 beds that go back and forth 29 00:01:11,990 --> 00:01:09,920 the difference is we don't have to do 30 00:01:13,750 --> 00:01:12,000 any heating with our system and it's a 31 00:01:15,190 --> 00:01:13,760 different tech different sorbent media 32 00:01:17,030 --> 00:01:15,200 that's being used 33 00:01:18,550 --> 00:01:17,040 we don't save our carbon dioxide this 34 00:01:20,550 --> 00:01:18,560 carbon dioxide that we absorb we went 35 00:01:21,910 --> 00:01:20,560 out to space 36 00:01:24,630 --> 00:01:21,920 so those are some of the differences 37 00:01:26,789 --> 00:01:24,640 that are between our system and the 38 00:01:28,789 --> 00:01:26,799 primary carbon dioxide removal system 39 00:01:30,870 --> 00:01:28,799 when you say you don't have to heat it i 40 00:01:33,030 --> 00:01:30,880 take it the other system does what is 41 00:01:35,350 --> 00:01:33,040 that to activate the that's how they 42 00:01:37,350 --> 00:01:35,360 regenerate their sorbent media our beds 43 00:01:39,749 --> 00:01:37,360 are designed so that the heat from 44 00:01:42,069 --> 00:01:39,759 adsorption transfers to the other bed 45 00:01:44,469 --> 00:01:42,079 doing the desorption so it's basically 46 00:01:45,510 --> 00:01:44,479 isothermal constant temperature process 47 00:01:47,749 --> 00:01:45,520 for us 48 00:01:49,429 --> 00:01:47,759 it reduces the energy demands 49 00:01:52,149 --> 00:01:49,439 which is also which is always a good 50 00:01:54,469 --> 00:01:52,159 thing on the spacecraft now i understand 51 00:01:56,230 --> 00:01:54,479 that this apparatus was originally 52 00:01:57,910 --> 00:01:56,240 designed to be used on the orion 53 00:02:00,550 --> 00:01:57,920 spacecraft 54 00:02:02,630 --> 00:02:00,560 so how does it come to be up in space on 55 00:02:04,389 --> 00:02:02,640 the international space station so it's 56 00:02:07,830 --> 00:02:04,399 an interesting story we were doing a lot 57 00:02:09,589 --> 00:02:07,840 of testing in our facilities here at jsc 58 00:02:10,869 --> 00:02:09,599 and people knew that we were doing some 59 00:02:11,910 --> 00:02:10,879 of this work 60 00:02:13,350 --> 00:02:11,920 and so 61 00:02:15,589 --> 00:02:13,360 management came to us and said we'd like 62 00:02:17,350 --> 00:02:15,599 to see how this would work in a real 63 00:02:18,949 --> 00:02:17,360 space flight environment 64 00:02:21,350 --> 00:02:18,959 and would you like an opportunity to try 65 00:02:22,790 --> 00:02:21,360 it out make sure exactly so we've done a 66 00:02:25,190 --> 00:02:22,800 lot of ground testing we even did some 67 00:02:26,949 --> 00:02:25,200 testing with some humans back in in the 68 00:02:28,630 --> 00:02:26,959 2008 time frame 69 00:02:30,070 --> 00:02:28,640 but then we started saying okay how are 70 00:02:31,750 --> 00:02:30,080 we going to get this on orbit because 71 00:02:33,670 --> 00:02:31,760 there are different demands 72 00:02:36,070 --> 00:02:33,680 for running this type of equipment on 73 00:02:37,670 --> 00:02:36,080 space station than you would in orion 74 00:02:40,070 --> 00:02:37,680 the orion missions they are shorter 75 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:40,080 duration they're typically not going to 76 00:02:44,070 --> 00:02:41,920 be um 77 00:02:45,509 --> 00:02:44,080 they're going to be 20 days 30 day 78 00:02:47,509 --> 00:02:45,519 missions where stations up there for 79 00:02:48,550 --> 00:02:47,519 months and months and months at a time 80 00:02:50,070 --> 00:02:48,560 and so 81 00:02:52,150 --> 00:02:50,080 um the main thing is you want to make 82 00:02:53,350 --> 00:02:52,160 sure you save your resources as you go 83 00:02:54,949 --> 00:02:53,360 over and over 84 00:02:57,110 --> 00:02:54,959 rather than 85 00:02:58,869 --> 00:02:57,120 venting continuously which is what orion 86 00:03:00,470 --> 00:02:58,879 will be doing so we had to add 87 00:03:02,630 --> 00:03:00,480 additional hardware 88 00:03:04,149 --> 00:03:02,640 to see how to reduce our water losses 89 00:03:06,149 --> 00:03:04,159 and our air losses which are less of a 90 00:03:08,149 --> 00:03:06,159 concern for short mission but are very 91 00:03:09,270 --> 00:03:08,159 important to know about for long-term 92 00:03:11,030 --> 00:03:09,280 missions on stations so there's 93 00:03:12,390 --> 00:03:11,040 additional equipment that we added to 94 00:03:14,149 --> 00:03:12,400 the system 95 00:03:15,509 --> 00:03:14,159 to make it more compatible to the space 96 00:03:18,229 --> 00:03:15,519 station environment 97 00:03:20,790 --> 00:03:18,239 and it's been up there since uh may of 98 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:20,800 2013. right we started operating in may 99 00:03:24,710 --> 00:03:22,560 of 2013. we had about a year and a half 100 00:03:26,070 --> 00:03:24,720 worth of troubleshooting to go on so 101 00:03:28,390 --> 00:03:26,080 that took some time to get that going 102 00:03:30,630 --> 00:03:28,400 but when we finally got it operational 103 00:03:32,229 --> 00:03:30,640 um we started operating it doing our 104 00:03:34,070 --> 00:03:32,239 science test we had about a thousand 105 00:03:35,350 --> 00:03:34,080 hours of planned test runs that we 106 00:03:38,229 --> 00:03:35,360 wanted to do 107 00:03:41,110 --> 00:03:38,239 and um we finished that up back in 108 00:03:43,270 --> 00:03:41,120 february time frame of last year 109 00:03:45,270 --> 00:03:43,280 how did it do it worked right it worked 110 00:03:47,190 --> 00:03:45,280 very nice it compared we had a couple of 111 00:03:49,750 --> 00:03:47,200 software things that we had to adjust as 112 00:03:50,869 --> 00:03:49,760 we were uh moving along but what we 113 00:03:51,830 --> 00:03:50,879 found was 114 00:03:53,670 --> 00:03:51,840 um 115 00:03:55,750 --> 00:03:53,680 it behaved very similar to how we tested 116 00:03:57,830 --> 00:03:55,760 on the ground which is 117 00:04:00,710 --> 00:03:57,840 produces a big boost of confidence yeah 118 00:04:02,789 --> 00:04:00,720 that the design is good and uh that also 119 00:04:04,789 --> 00:04:02,799 provides confidence to orion 120 00:04:06,789 --> 00:04:04,799 because their system is looking very 121 00:04:09,030 --> 00:04:06,799 similar to what we do in terms of the 122 00:04:10,630 --> 00:04:09,040 carbon dioxide removal function 123 00:04:12,390 --> 00:04:10,640 so it gives them a lot of confidence as 124 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:12,400 well hey we've operated this in a real 125 00:04:16,229 --> 00:04:14,640 spacecraft environment that's good news 126 00:04:18,310 --> 00:04:16,239 for the orion program 127 00:04:21,270 --> 00:04:18,320 did you learn anything from the actual 128 00:04:23,189 --> 00:04:21,280 operation that you can apply back into 129 00:04:25,030 --> 00:04:23,199 the orion version there was a very 130 00:04:26,629 --> 00:04:25,040 unique technical issue that came up the 131 00:04:28,469 --> 00:04:26,639 swing bed the way that it works is 132 00:04:30,710 --> 00:04:28,479 there's basically two beds as i said 133 00:04:33,189 --> 00:04:30,720 earlier but there's a valve that rotates 134 00:04:34,390 --> 00:04:33,199 between bed a and bed b to direct the 135 00:04:36,950 --> 00:04:34,400 air flow 136 00:04:39,590 --> 00:04:36,960 and there was a feature with that valve 137 00:04:40,790 --> 00:04:39,600 that we found out during our testing 138 00:04:42,710 --> 00:04:40,800 that if you 139 00:04:43,990 --> 00:04:42,720 that could result in an over rotation 140 00:04:46,230 --> 00:04:44,000 and the problem with that is you could 141 00:04:48,310 --> 00:04:46,240 now have a direct path from cabin 142 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:48,320 atmosphere to space vacuum which would 143 00:04:52,950 --> 00:04:50,800 be a bad thing yes so 144 00:04:54,629 --> 00:04:52,960 they when we learned about this 145 00:04:55,990 --> 00:04:54,639 uh situation 146 00:04:58,390 --> 00:04:56,000 that was information we were able to 147 00:05:00,230 --> 00:04:58,400 provide to the orion program and they've 148 00:05:02,550 --> 00:05:00,240 made some design changes because of that 149 00:05:04,230 --> 00:05:02,560 thing that we found out so 150 00:05:06,150 --> 00:05:04,240 the version we have on orbit won't 151 00:05:07,990 --> 00:05:06,160 suffer that issue this was a ground test 152 00:05:09,430 --> 00:05:08,000 that we tried out 153 00:05:11,430 --> 00:05:09,440 and um 154 00:05:12,629 --> 00:05:11,440 the new version is a lot more robust and 155 00:05:14,790 --> 00:05:12,639 so that 156 00:05:16,469 --> 00:05:14,800 that risk of having a direct path to 157 00:05:18,310 --> 00:05:16,479 space vacuum from the cabin isn't going 158 00:05:20,550 --> 00:05:18,320 to happen now now you mentioned you 159 00:05:22,469 --> 00:05:20,560 completed the testing in february of 160 00:05:24,870 --> 00:05:22,479 2014 161 00:05:27,029 --> 00:05:24,880 what is emming swingbed been doing up 162 00:05:29,749 --> 00:05:27,039 there uh since then what what's what's 163 00:05:31,510 --> 00:05:29,759 it going to keep doing so correct we did 164 00:05:33,510 --> 00:05:31,520 a lot about a thousand hours of test 165 00:05:35,749 --> 00:05:33,520 planning and since then we've done more 166 00:05:37,830 --> 00:05:35,759 than a thousand hours of actually 167 00:05:39,670 --> 00:05:37,840 providing contingency carbon dioxide 168 00:05:41,590 --> 00:05:39,680 removal systems when they take one of 169 00:05:43,670 --> 00:05:41,600 the primary systems down to do some 170 00:05:46,230 --> 00:05:43,680 maintenance they ask us to turn on to 171 00:05:49,189 --> 00:05:46,240 help with some of the co2 and removal 172 00:05:50,870 --> 00:05:49,199 functions going on so basically we are a 173 00:05:52,230 --> 00:05:50,880 backup when there's requests from the 174 00:05:53,909 --> 00:05:52,240 flight director or from some of the 175 00:05:56,070 --> 00:05:53,919 console operators say we need a little 176 00:05:57,350 --> 00:05:56,080 extra co2 removal 177 00:05:59,670 --> 00:05:57,360 they call us up 178 00:06:01,029 --> 00:05:59,680 and we operate it ourselves not in from 179 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:01,039 the flight control room but from mission 180 00:06:03,749 --> 00:06:02,080 control 181 00:06:07,990 --> 00:06:03,759 and 182 00:06:10,150 --> 00:06:08,000 it's a very simple system to operate 183 00:06:12,150 --> 00:06:10,160 would be uh it'd be great to uh to see 184 00:06:14,390 --> 00:06:12,160 it running in in the future spacecraft 185 00:06:15,830 --> 00:06:14,400 too yes it will it i'm sure it will 186 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:15,840 definitely be running in the future 187 00:06:19,510 --> 00:06:18,240 spacecraft we are planning we'll keep it 188 00:06:21,350 --> 00:06:19,520 up there as long as the space station 189 00:06:22,550 --> 00:06:21,360 program wants us to operate which could 190 00:06:24,070 --> 00:06:22,560 be 191 00:06:25,749 --> 00:06:24,080 another couple years who know i don't 192 00:06:26,950 --> 00:06:25,759 know exactly how long that will be but 193 00:06:28,150 --> 00:06:26,960 we haven't seen any changes in 194 00:06:30,390 --> 00:06:28,160 performance 195 00:06:32,469 --> 00:06:30,400 over the last two years of operations so 196 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:32,479 that's also you know 197 00:06:35,830 --> 00:06:34,000 a very good thing for both the orion 198 00:06:37,909 --> 00:06:35,840 program and station program as well 199 00:06:39,670 --> 00:06:37,919 that's great jeff thanks very much for 200 00:06:42,309 --> 00:06:39,680 for bringing us up to date well thank 201 00:06:44,309 --> 00:06:42,319 you dr jeffrey sweterlich is the 202 00:06:46,230 --> 00:06:44,319 principal investigator of the amine